Why does everyone hate dpms

Last year during a carbine class we had 2 DPMS Bolts break in half at the cam pin hole on consecutive days believe it or not, guns owned by a husband and wife. One of the guns never ran right in 2 classes, the other ran mostly OK. Gunsmith stated that chamber was very tight causing extraction problems when hot. DPMS ststed that all their bbls had "Match" chambers why you would want that in a When we notified DPMS of the broken bolts, they stated that it must be the ammo.

We sent the bolts to them but i never heard back. As a side note, Colt Magnetic Particle Tests all bolts for sub surface voids. Just FYI if you use these guns for duty. I am to interested in DPMS am looking at the through looking at posts about the i find that a lot of people like them they are accurate and the only feed problems are from poor ammo quality so id assume that the AR15s would be of like quality i have a heavy barrel 20" OLYMPIC never any trouble bout rnds maybe trouble when i shoot more but no sign of trouble yet Ill bet if i found every rifle made by each of the manufacturers you would find failures across the board Not saying i know i have little experience with other manufacturers but U may just have run into a rash of DPMS haters or maybe its DPMS's weak to get slammed i have a hard time believing that a company would knowingly put out a product that would be used in a life or death situation thats obviously flawed maybe I'm a little naive but wouldn't they fix flaws in craftsmanship and design if brought to their attention.

Quoted: Oh! Buwhahahaha, that's a great twist. I should have thought about that witty comeback before I typed. DPMS does not put a match chamber on their military profile barrels. It says so right in the FAQ section on their webpage. Your mileage may vary Quoted: DPMS does not put a match chamber on their military profile barrels. The fact DPMS admitted to putting match chambers into their medium profile barrels says differently. They may NOW use the proper chamber, but they didn't for a long time.

Note Armalite had the same issue for a long time - well after they said they were going to change. I have been building tons of AR's over the last year. I have over 10 complete uppers sitting in my safe. Third is Armalite. I think you're right about them using. Mine was made in late , and it has the 5. I don't have any idea why someone would want a military profile barrel chambered in. To each his own. Facts: Most Cast parts are inferior to Forged parts Manufactures cast small parts as it is cost efficient.

Passes the savings on to us so to speak. When a manufacturer makes a mistake. Its not normally one or two as they mass produce instead of changeing tooling every 15 min. They will make 1 specific part for several days till the right amount is made and then focus on a new part.

So 1 lemon is common but so is lemons if the wrong person is at work that day. Customer service should be stellar. If something is broken because of substandard parts or materials or even engineering then they normally are aware and will do everything in their power to make things right. If they do not then they end up like Todd Baily.

LOL It takes several weeks to get a rifle sent to people for this reason. So dont freak out if you are put on a waiting list. Shit Happens Most parts are manufactured to. Most people rate things on pure asthetics as they do not abuse their weapons in a combat enviroment or train frequently with them.

So yes the damn Deer Head on Stag's look a little strange on an "Evil Assult Rifle" and a lot of people will say they suck because of this. I have owned and abused many many many many firearms is my time. Great Weapon. I was its first owner so I broke her in and popped her cherry. She was my Bitch. But guess what I dont own a single Colt Weapon. I have my reasons and one is customer service. If your customer relations sucks then the hell with you. Kinda like if you have car insurance and when you need it they say they have no rep's in the area so your screwed.

You dont always get what you pay for. Shop around and get what you want not what other people want you to get. Do it right the first time and you wont be doing it again. Their lowers and parts are shit. Get yourself a block of wood and some whittling tools and you will end up with one thats more to spec and stronger than theirs unless you use white pine or balsa.

I have owned 3 dpms rifles and two additional uppers. I have put at least rounds through each. I haven't had any problems with any of them. That is not to say they are the best, nor to deny insights offered by those who see literally hundreds of thousands of rounds a year like Pat Rogers. Just my personal experience. Of course, if the zombies landed and I had to take one rifle, it wouldn't be my dpms but my stag lower and Adco built Recce upper with a WOA bolt. I agree with an earlier post that said as soon as one of my dpms bolts or carriers breaks I'll be on here talking about it.

Till then they are among the finest ar's I own. I have 2 dpms , 1 colt and 1 bushmaster. The only one to give me any trouble was the bushmaster. I see posts here all the time about bushmasters with problems and it chalked up as " well that happens " but when its a dpms " they suck ".

I just don't get that! All the big manufacturers produce top tier guns , sure a bad one can get out but that could happen to any one. Lets just be glad there are so many producers of fine ar's and accessories out there. Tried to convince me it was.

Would have left me with an unreg SBR. Guess they forgot how it was made? Quoted: I have my reasons and one is customer service. Yeah, something like that. They may or may not make decent stuff but I lack confidence in the company because of the above experiences. Just my personal feelings on it.

They do make the best ambidextrous safety IMO. Other then that I would say they rank slightly above Oly in quality! Well, I can't offer any scientific assessment or anything else. I've seen two broken DPMS bolts firsthand myself. Both were the chromed DPMS bolts which makes me think they were probably chromed improperly and had issues with embrittlement as a result.

I've also seen my fair share of smaller DPMS parts that broke. Maybe I have a skewed view of DPMS that would not be supported by a good statistical analysis; but since I don't have that I have to go with my own personal experience which says that while DPMS produces a lot of good stuff they aren't very solid on their QC.

Having said that, I know two local gun dealers who I respect and trust and they both carry DPMS and are very supportive of their products. I also know of a local DoD contractor who builds ancillary equipment for the M4 carbine and they use DPMS products in their testing - and it is pretty abusive testing.

To rewind a little I placed an order for a Panther flash hider, I waited and waited and waited and still noting, so like my G I decided to check up on my part and once again DPMS informed me the part had not been shipped out and to add on to that it was on back order and noone bothered to inform me, this took the cake and totally turned me against them.

Quoted: About 7 or 8 months ago I started looking into getting an AR. And so the answer to your question is: DPMS products are totally inconsistent in their quality. Some pieces go out perfect. Others are full of defects. A few years ago I bought a complete lower assy of theirs.

More recently, I bought a stripped lower that I inspected before purchase; because the price was right.

The only "defect" on that one was that the forge lines had not been fully removed from the front wall or rear curve. That didn't bother me, because I planned to change the shade of the finish to Sandstrom 9A, and I took the lines off before I redid the thing. Their hammers are great, their triggers OK, but the rest of their stuff is full of junky looking tool marks.

Had one of their chromed bolt carriers once. I use only Colt and Bushie pieces. The good: - Exceptionally accurate upper. Even then, they went on crooked. Since I presently am inclined use RRA lowers with zero problems to date, that probably won't happen any time soon. The end. Haven't you already posted about this in a seperate thread??? This can be said about ANY company! This thread is kinda funny! If ya read this and then look at the troubleshooting forum ya would think that Bushmaster's name should be here!

The fact is when people say that DPMS sux it is an opinion. They are just saying it because they feel that since they are over posts they are experts on the subject!

Quoted: This thread is kinda funny! Do you have a clue about what market share is? Sure you can make appointments and manage your medicines but it is available to THEM as well.

For instance, antidepressants are also used to treat ringing in the ears a common issue with target shooters. If it comes to pass, THEY may show up on your doorstep wanting your possessions simply because your doctor prescribed a certain medication. Stay safe. Stay aware. Don, I feel sorry for you brother. Job be damned. Iam building one now. I am building what they call a ak it is 7.

Any help would be welcome. Thank you. Definitely not the lower or upper receiver. Most likely not the bolt carrier group either. Probably not even the barrel, at least not totally anyway. How about the trigger group or any other small part? Thats going to be a no on that one too. I definitely would like to find out for sure though. The major AR parts are all standardized and meant to be interchangeable, and so the economic effects of specialization and larger-scale manufacturing result in more consistency and lower costs for a given part.

Great news for me here in CA! I was shopping at Walmart last night. To my amazement, they had 22 ammo! For the first time in a YEAR, at 8pm at night, they could sell me a max of 3 round boxes of 22 for my Stg 44 22 cal replica rifle! Feels great to help fellow shooters. You want a real Scare? Don, I lived in California for a short while after getting out of the army.

We can walk down the street with a firearm strapped to our hips. Open carry dude! I have not been disappointed. Really like the rifle. I added a Bushnel electronic sight. It was right on the mark at yards. Very happy with the rifle and sight. I highly recommend this fire arm. Its wonderful you are able to own such a modern, fun rifle. I filled my safes with everything I figured I would need and am satisfied. Now its a scramble for ammo. Very little gun sales at shows.

The line is for the ammo in CA. Congratulations on finally dialing in your AR. I really liked mine 40 years ago. Fast handling, light and a straight shooter. Brandon, when you factor the cost of all the upgrades would it not be better to just buy a more expensive AR that already has the upgrades?

PS,single dude,no kids,gota spend my money on something. Great rifle to shoot however after about to rounds or so barrel nut came loose. First to Do Shively about the citadel m1. I have it chambered in 9mm because i have a glock17 and the Jr carbine uses glock mags.

Your getting a good quality AR for a good price. Highly recommend it. Went to the range same day and shot 3inch groups at 50 yards with the magpul sights using fed 55 grain fmj, the rifle is stamped 5. You cannot go wrong with this black rifle for the price. It is by far my favorite rifle even over my Henry Big Boy 44 magnum. You can trick this rifle out with all kinds of accessories but remember every little thing adds weight.

Even though this is considered a starter AR15, because of its reliability, accuracy on target and ease of maintenance, I have no need for any other. I would like to see a report on the Citadel M1 Carbine in 9mm. It seems that for plinking and target shooting, a carbine that takes the same ammo as your side arm would be a handy thing to have around.

I enjoy antique military weapon shooting. Walmart still carries 9mm for cheap. I have a Citadel M1 Carbine in. Maybe the 9mm works better. I own a Beretta CX4 in 9mm. I also have a Beretta PX4 full size and sub-compact in 9mm. As you may know the C is for carbine and P is for pistol. The current models all have interchangeable magazines. I use 17 round mags at the range. The pistols are my carries depending on how I dress.

I travel with all three. Having numerous mags that fit all 3 is very convenient. No matter what I reach for it will interchange. I use Winchester grain hollow points at fps. I am confident either will do the job. Beretta developed these for European police forces and 3 states have acquired them for their state police as regular issue in the US. Even though I love my 92 this newer series protects my family on a daily basis. Added a scope, bipod, Magpul pistol grip and a two stage trigger.

Both of the DPMS models have been a lot of trouble. The first, purchased back during the Clinton era AR regulations had an extractor spring so weak I had to install a Buffer Tech upgrade to get it to cycle.

The second was terrible and I eventually had a case freeze in the chamber and I just replaced the entire upper. Never a hiccup, no matter what or how much I put through it. If they built this, then you can be confident buying it, dust cover or no dust cover. I bought my MP 15 last year. I am former Military Police in the Army and have logged many rounds in the M I wish I had the MP 15 instead.

I like the fact the dust cover and forward assist has been removed. My point of view is…if it is jammed, why force it in deeper? Pull the charge handle and get the stuff out. The dust cover is just a pain in the butt.

Nothing but praise for it. The rifle is dead accurate and needs nothing. At least rounds fired without a single problem. Mine has never failed when firing a great diversity of ammo and bullet weights.

Works perfectly, looks great and fun to shoot. I have other As including a factory Colt H-bar, and these are more fun to shoot and you can easily get zombies out to almost yards with a red dot. Nice gun for a fair price for a name brand that backs up their products. Why not buy it? I think the world is pretty much saturated now. We need more new, better, and different and the same old.